Your Ad Here
metalyxmii
user #126595
403 posts
1 karma point
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to what in message #36810:
Let's be honest doll, only in Christianity will we find the message that abstinence is only 99.99% effective. Not mine, just felt like using it.

Ok.

Ok.

Ok. Whatthefuck dude? Can't take me actually conversing about this? If you want to see something a little less punctual then head over to the religion forum. Really though, let's be honest. You know I'm an asshole and you love it. I can't blame you, the attraction is unavoidable. To think I've started being nice to you people...

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
message 36811/37486 2010-02-27 20:35:27 (-0600)
metalyxmii
user #126595
403 posts
1 karma point
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36809:
Case and point, negative karma mark on that post. Is it still trolling now?

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
message 36812/37486 2010-02-27 20:37:55 (-0600)
dilanium
user #48133
3186 posts
18 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36811:
I seem to have an odd relationship with you. Every time I try to argue with you, you seem to agree with me. But with everyone else you seem to have pissing contests (no clue as to who starts them, just how it seems to me).

Odd.



message 36813/37486 2010-02-27 20:38:51 (-0600)
what
user #14182
1663 posts
12 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36811:
Abstinence in Islam
abstinence in pagan african villages using female circumcision to stitch up vaginas with thorns to auction off their virginal daughters for cheap dowries
abstinence in Buddhism...gee you just went there :) I just went there. I'm stop now. I lurk on the religion forum when I can be bothered, most of the time I can't. Which is what I was trying to explain in my previous post. Forget the leap of faith, I don't care if Mary was a virgin to save face. Perceive the practicalities.

The doll comment can slide, for now.

Lay down in the aisle and flail
message 36814/37486 2010-02-27 20:49:09 (-0600)
chuckster
user #19267
774 posts
6 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to bluebird in message #36805:
Ok, so let's all give credit to Skittles for her public announcement of fasting, and thus her public display of righteousness. But according to Christian doctrine, isn't she risking her reward in heaven? Once again, I reference Matthew 6:16-18. If you don't know it by heart, then look it up.

But of course in Matthew 5:15, the disciples are told: Neither to men light a lamp and put it under a bushel but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Is it surprising that schizophrenia and Christianity march so comfortably, side by side?






message 36815/37486 2010-02-27 20:56:35 (-0600)
what
user #14182
1663 posts
12 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to what in message #36814:
forced abstinence (usually) at the expense of (female) liberties is effective. But that wasn't my point. What I can't handle in your "conversing" are the sweeping generalisations seasoned with a healthy dose of suck my cock.

you're agreeing that christian abstinence isn't so hot, great.

all we need are better consumers. yes you too.
stop*ping.

Lay down in the aisle and flail
message 36816/37486 2010-02-27 21:00:56 (-0600)
metalyxmii
user #126595
403 posts
1 karma point
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to dilanium in message #36813:
I just agreed with Kai earlier. If you've followed our past interactions, that's very unusual.

Can't help it. Sometimes, I just agree.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
message 36817/37486 2010-02-27 21:09:58 (-0600)
metalyxmii
user #126595
403 posts
1 karma point
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to what in message #36816:
Interesting. We've arrived at the different conclusions by using different means. I don't tend to tell you that how you are arguing is faulty, or full of suck my cock. Then again, through the apparent insults, you've managed to understand my point.

Even better is you've done so without attacking my karma for the experience. Seems like so few actually do what they want me to.

Yes, even me. I'm sometimes astounded by the things I don't even realize I've been trained to take for granted. That's why I'm so unpopular here. I tell people the sky is blue, when sometimes it really isn't. We all (myself included) need to be better(tm) consumers.

I'm really very meek, sugarpants. I've no doubt you'll let my "dolls" slide for a good, long time.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
message 36818/37486 2010-02-27 21:17:45 (-0600)
chuckster
user #19267
774 posts
6 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to what in message #36816:
Personally, I think we would all enjoy getting together and having beer. In person, there is little doubt that the conversation would be lively and interesting. Metal comes on pretty strong in his rebuke of religion, often fundementalistically (is that a legitimate a word?) strong... not that there isn't good reason to rebuke the travesties religion has bestowed on mankind in the name of something better.

Aside from his sometimes crude style, however, my only suggestion to Metal is that in throwing out religion... a worthy goal in my opinion… he needn’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.




message 36819/37486 2010-02-27 21:39:24 (-0600)
chuckster
user #19267
774 posts
6 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to chuckster in message #36819:
So I wonder if Skittles will be amazed at the thread she unwittingly started.

message 36820/37486 2010-02-27 21:46:25 (-0600)
bluebird
user #2696
1321 posts
13 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to chuckster in message #36815:
Right. Because Whatthefuck.com is the place someone would go to get a spiritual pat on the back for being a good Christian. I'm sure there are MUCH more predictable and fruitful venues. Perhaps she just got excited about attending an event in the same way we'd get excited about attending a concert or a party or a social gathering and wanted to share her excitement with others--her friends.

What I love about whatthefuck is that it's a forum for a broad continuum of ideas and ideals and everyone is open to debate. I'm intrigued, however, that Skittles post brought about a slew of comments on the futility of her venture while no one said "hey! have fun!" We're so quick to judge without pausing to think about how interesting it is that one member of our community is trying to be active about her belief system instead of sitting around waxing philosophically about it or pushing it on other people. I have come across a lot of judgmental, biased, and hypocritical Christians in my lifetime, and while Skittles is open about her beliefs and her involvement in her church community, I haven't seen her pushing her doctrines down anyone's throat or looking down her nose at anyone. Yet we're so quick to jump on her for simply expressing excitement about her involvement in this activity.

Is one fund raising activity going to stop world hunger? Of course not. And I'm pretty sure no one participating in that 30 hour famine believes that either. But even if the gesture is little more than acknowledging a festering wound in the human spirit, do we have a right to crush that gesture under a heel of cynicism and negativity? Technically, yes. We have a right. I just have always felt it better to encourage positive actions than douse hope under a deluge of negativity. Pragmatism is essential for living, but so is hope. If there's no reason to hope, why not just shoot all the starving, the sick, the poor, and let the wealthy and fed go on their merry way? Of course I'm dealing in hyperbole here, but my point is essentially this--we're all sitting at home with shelter, food, clothing and internet. While we sit around philosophizing about it, Skittles is dealing with the issue in her own way, and she has a right to do so without us all raining on her parade.

As far as biblical schizophrenia, yes, the bible verbatim contradicts itself. You can sit here and spew off countless biblical quotes at me, and I will agree, rather than deny that they contradict one another. But not every Christian is a carbon copy of what you see on the page. I'd never assert that every Republican or every Canadian, every black man, or every math student is a carbon copy of one another, so it boggles my mind that Christians are pigeon holed into a stereotype. Sure, there are a TON of very public and even very private Christians who miss the point and broadcast bigotry, negativity, and self-righteousness. But the Christian community is as diverse as any other and there are a LOT of Christians who spend every day trying to find the right way to live, to take care of others, to encourage without infringing upon or suffocating the beliefs of others while still following the nudging part of their hearts that keep them trying to fill Christ's sandals.

Back to my original point, if we can't see beyond the social futility of ANY fundraiser to solve world hunger (you can't put a band-aid on cancer and expect everything to be ok), maybe we can at least acknowledge the personal benefits undertaking such a venture has on developing character, discipline, and conscientiousness. And I am more impressed with Skittles desire to support her youth group in this than I am in her own personal venture. From someone who's spent a lot of time in the past working with youth, it takes a lot of personal energy, time, and effort to organize or help run this sort of event. It seems like not eating would be a simple thing--just don't eat. But the behind the scenes is a lot of work; and often work that doesn't get acknowledged by anyone. From my own personal experiences, I'd venture a guess that Skittles does a lot at her church that no one sees, no one acknowledges, no one rewards and are her private offerings to a silent God.

But I didn't realize being a Christian meant we had to hide enthusiasm. I'll have to make a note of that in the margins . . . and promptly ignore it. I refuse to hide my enthusiasm about anything i'm passionate about, and my faith is no exception.

Chuckster, I don't expect or ask that you pat Skittles on the back, and certainly not me for that matter. But why not afford her the right to speak her enthusiasm?

Just another senseless rambling from your friendly neighborhood Bluebird. :) *yeah you know you like it*
message 36821/37486 2010-02-27 21:59:19 (-0600)
what
user #14182
1663 posts
12 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36818:
There's a far greater karma at stake than these little written tallies. When you say something truly abhorrent (I'm not going to give you any specific ideas for bait) and you fail to be at the least slightly open to evidence of other's arguments, that's when things get tricky.

Sugarpants eh. You realise if you couple sugar with sourdough it breeds in a most ungainly fashion.
We could go down this post-post-feminist road. Pay for my ski trip.

Lay down in the aisle and flail
message 36822/37486 2010-02-27 22:42:08 (-0600)
chuckster
user #19267
774 posts
6 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to bluebird in message #36821:
Well said!

Of course, if you will drop back and read my original reply to Skittles, you will realize that I DO applaud her (somewhat misguided) efforts. Hey, some of my best friends are Christians. I know they think they mean well. What can I say? I do the best I can to lead them out of the darkness that they have been sold as the light.


message 36823/37486 2010-02-27 22:54:23 (-0600)
what
user #14182
1663 posts
12 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to bluebird in message #36821:
I hope you haven't taken my 'biblical schizophrenia' point the wrong way. I'm a tolerant accomodationist of many things.

Lay down in the aisle and flail
message 36824/37486 2010-02-27 23:02:10 (-0600)
bluebird
user #2696
1321 posts
13 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to chuckster in message #36823:
I will go back and re-read your original post, Chuckster. Admittedly, I have been less intellectually focused today than usual due to medical reasons, and as a result I will go back and re-read ALL the posts made so far. It just shocked me to see a general trend of negativity. Whatthefuck is usually pretty pragmatic.

Just another senseless rambling from your friendly neighborhood Bluebird. :) *yeah you know you like it*
message 36825/37486 2010-02-27 23:03:30 (-0600)
chuckster
user #19267
774 posts
6 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to bluebird in message #36825:
This has been a good whatthefuck evening. Most Saturday nights aren't nearly so active. I guess we have Metal to thank for that. Just the same, I have already put in at least a twelve hour day of physical work, and with several more hours spent at the keyboard, the world is starting to blur... oh wait a minute, that might just be the bourbon:) At any rate, I've got another LFD in front of me, so I bid thee all adeu,(so to speak) and look forward to our next round another day. Good night for now.

message 36826/37486 2010-02-27 23:31:55 (-0600)
metalyxmii
user #126595
403 posts
1 karma point
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to what in message #36822:
You all think I'm here just to make life miserable. I merely represent entropy. Without me (those like me), then this might as well be a private association. Just adding a little heat to this otherwise closed system.

I save the truly abhorrent for situations in which I can see facial expressions. All in all, none of us would have problems if we could just stop feeling ways about things. I never took a position, just added some adjectives and let the feelings fly. That's why I'm so mellow these days. Since there is karma in the universal sense (taking a position) I find losing a point here and there when I'm not insulting is hilarious. Brings home the idea of punishing those we do not like.

I'm open to evidence, make no mistake. So little ever gets presented.

I'm gathering that many things aren't going to mix well...

I'll front a ski trip but, you need to get to the states and my girlfriend gets the right side of the bed, you can have the left. If I'm a good dog she may just let me sleep at the foot...

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
message 36827/37486 2010-02-28 01:04:01 (-0600)
dilanium
user #48133
3186 posts
18 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36827:
I'm open to evidence

hm. maybe that's why we don't get in disagreements like everyone else. I don't comment unless I have a strong feeling one way or another, which I usually don't have without evidence (finding it before or after I made up my mind is a different subject). I also don't argue a point unless I have evidence to back it up.

Maybe writing scientific papers really has altered how I communicate.

Or growing up. I'll bet if you compare my current posts to the first ones I posted, I'll seem like an entirely different person.

message 36828/37486 2010-02-28 02:25:32 (-0600)
kai
user #16500
5389 posts
17 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to bluebird in message #36821:
One reason I felt like I had to respond the way I did is because my attitudes toward religion go beyond simple atheism. I'm an antitheist. Based on what I've seen through studies of history and experienced through contemporary events, including three years of living in possibly the most religiously-bound society on Earth (Saudi Arabia), I've come to the conclusion that religious belief is one of the single most harmful aspects of human culture. It boggles my mind that in the 21st century, in a time when we're surrounded by technology that would have sounded like science fiction 20 years ago, in a time when we finally have the ability (if not the will) to transcend our ignorance, the majority of the world's conflicts still stem from arguments over who has the better imaginary friend.

But that was only one reason, and not even the main one. The main reason I spoke up about the futility of the endeavour is because even grand efforts (or attempts at them) like Bono and Sally Struthers getting on TV and imploring us to donate "just 70 cents a day" still seem futile to me. There actually is more than enough food to go around for all of humanity right now, but a lot of it sits in silos and rots instead, because it's more cost effective for farmers, suppliers, etc. than donating it to the hordes of people in Third World countries who subsist on a diet of dirt and AIDS. The only way this will change is if concern for people they've never met on the other side of the world outweighs the substantial hit to farmers' and suppliers' pocketbooks -- and not one or two farmers/suppliers, but -all- of them. And that flat out is not going to happen, ever.

If that sounds pessimistic, so be it. Watching the human race's dumb show doesn't generally lead to optimistic conclusions.



Kai Hamuti.

[ lj ] [ NZ Gallery ]
message 36829/37486 2010-02-28 12:56:14 (-0600)
what
user #14182
1663 posts
12 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36827:
I know your purpose isn't misery, its the method!
I'm in Texas, for one.
Second, you didn't use a term on endearment in that post. Mission accomplished.

Lay down in the aisle and flail
message 36830/37486 2010-02-28 13:22:05 (-0600)
bluebird
user #2696
1321 posts
13 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to kai in message #36829:
I agree with you that the principle of selfishness that seems to permeate the human race like part of our genetic code isn't going to change any time soon, and certainly not in one mass movement like a giant sigh of relief washing over the planet.

One of the great paradoxes of religion is that while it has a slew of personal benefits and even social ones, like any other powerful tool, when placed in the hands of idiots it can wreak more devastation than good. It's a double edged sword, and I don't claim to have a solution. If I did I'd be running for president; I'd probably also be promptly ignored lol.

I respect and can even understand your belief system of anti-theism. People have done horrible horrible things in the names of gods and goddesses. I spent a huge part of my life disbelieving in the Christian God with whom I was loosely exposed as a child. FearFactory knows my whole sordid tale of coming into my current belief system and faith, but I'll spare you the lengthy Witness. All I'll say is that if I am sure of nothing else in this universe, i am sure that love exists. It might be buried beneath the dirt and grime of selfishness, of negativity, of lies, and of good intentions gone awry, but I believe it still exists. That is where my hope springs from. That while we have the capacity to do great harm to each other in the name of [insert any abstract ideology here. They all fit], I believe we also have the capacity to turn to another human being--lover, parent, child, friend, stranger--and in brief instants recognize that nothing else matters in that moment except the deep connection with that other person.

I feel almost sardonically inclined to tag "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus" at the end of that diatribe.

I know I'm an optimistic person. I am full of hope and fluffy bunnies. But please don't think those aren't fenced in by barbed wire and scars of pragmatism. Admittedly, I'd make a horrible existentialist. Every day is a tug of war between the little girl who still believes in fairy tales, and the wicked witch trying to show her how ugly the world really can be. I believe both are necessary though, the ugly pragmatic truth, and the lingering hope.

Otherwise, we end up medicated or blowing people up.

As pessimistic as you claim to be, you have something you believe in. That's what keeps you from shuffling through life like a zombie. Just because mine looks like a hippie in sandals who can do some cool parlor tricks and loves his friends doesn't make him any less valid than yours.

Just another senseless rambling from your friendly neighborhood Bluebird. :) *yeah you know you like it*
message 36831/37486 2010-02-28 14:58:19 (-0600)
outzider
user #1
3844 posts
16 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to kai in message #36829:
You need to do a comic or something, because "who subsist on a diet of dirt and AIDS" is the funniest thing I've read in ages.

//////// oZ //////// [blog] [lj] [things i hate about you]
"When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil." - James Carville
message 36832/37486 2010-02-28 15:02:16 (-0600)
bluebird
user #2696
1321 posts
13 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to outzider in message #36832:
I agree with Oz. The writer in you most definitely carved that phrase. I wouldn't say that I found it funny, but it was perfectly crafted.

Just another senseless rambling from your friendly neighborhood Bluebird. :) *yeah you know you like it*
message 36833/37486 2010-02-28 15:10:17 (-0600)
kai
user #16500
5389 posts
17 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to outzider in message #36832:
I was about to say something like, "I'd do a comic if I had any artistic ability whatsoever," but then: xkcd, 8-bit theatre, and Dinosaur Comics. Hmm.



Kai Hamuti.

[ lj ] [ NZ Gallery ]
message 36834/37486 2010-02-28 15:10:45 (-0600)
metalyxmii
user #126595
403 posts
1 karma point
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: 30 hour Famine
in reply to what in message #36830:
Hmm, thought you were further away. I'll go ahead and warm up the cabin.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
message 36835/37486 2010-02-28 15:24:49 (-0600)
bluebird
user #2696
1321 posts
13 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to kai in message #36834:
I'd read it.

Just another senseless rambling from your friendly neighborhood Bluebird. :) *yeah you know you like it*
message 36836/37486 2010-02-28 15:29:34 (-0600)
what
user #14182
1663 posts
12 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: i can has cheeseburger?
in reply to outzider in message #36832:
O Canaduh. What happened to ravinglunatic? Where did my monarchic Commonwealth patriots go?

It was only good because they were so close to equal. Miller looked like he was going to have a psychotic episode at any moment ;/

Lay down in the aisle and flail
message 36837/37486 2010-02-28 17:54:44 (-0600)
greywarden
user #412
630 posts
6 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: FOOD
I made the worlds best Gourmet Quesadilla. Who wants me to fedex it to them?

G re y W ar de n




"If God had wanted them to live, he would have made them bullet-proof."
message 36838/37486 2010-03-02 01:55:17 (-0600)
bluebird
user #2696
1321 posts
13 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: FOOD
in reply to greywarden in message #36838:
*raises hand*



Just another senseless rambling from your friendly neighborhood Bluebird. :) *yeah you know you like it*
message 36839/37486 2010-03-02 12:35:21 (-0600)
greywarden
user #412
630 posts
6 karma points
[view profile]
[email user]
subject: re: FOOD
in reply to bluebird in message #36839:
No guarantee it wont get flattened in transit. *badum-tiss*

G re y W ar de n




"If God had wanted them to live, he would have made them bullet-proof."
message 36840/37486 2010-03-02 15:38:11 (-0600)
username: password: