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bluebird
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in reply to greywarden in message #36840:
*gets sour cream and air pump ready*

Just another senseless rambling from your friendly neighborhood Bluebird. :) *yeah you know you like it*
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subject: re: FOOD
in reply to bluebird in message #36841:
Sounds like the prep for a sexual encounter I'd pay to see.

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message 36842/37486 2010-03-02 16:09:20 (-0600)
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in reply to greywarden in message #36838:
How much is shipping?

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message 36843/37486 2010-03-02 16:29:53 (-0600)
greywarden
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in reply to what in message #36843:
To Texas? Fuck, I could throw it that far.

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message 36844/37486 2010-03-02 17:49:49 (-0600)
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subject: WTF
So Oz, is the monday wtf dead? They gave me cherished memories, not to mention a redefined view of walruses.


“If there was a god, I'd still have both nuts.” – Lance Armstrong
message 36845/37486 2010-03-02 19:33:06 (-0600)
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subject: re: WTF
in reply to idlebystander1 in message #36845:
You smelled it, you dealt it. Would you do one?

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message 36846/37486 2010-03-02 19:35:59 (-0600)
greywarden
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subject: re: WTF
in reply to idlebystander1 in message #36845:
I'd do one, but I cant think of anything to write about.


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message 36847/37486 2010-03-02 20:11:41 (-0600)
bluebird
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subject: re: FOOD
in reply to greywarden in message #36842:
Kinky.

Just another senseless rambling from your friendly neighborhood Bluebird. :) *yeah you know you like it*
message 36848/37486 2010-03-02 20:59:54 (-0600)
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subject: re: WTF
in reply to idlebystander1 in message #36845:
On hiatus. I recently started a new job and didn't have time to do it justice. It will be coming back next Monday. :)

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message 36849/37486 2010-03-02 21:04:20 (-0600)
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subject: censorship
Does anyone find Bill Henson's photography creepy? Would you consider it to be exploiting minors?

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message 36850/37486 2010-03-10 12:58:33 (-0600)
metalyxmii
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to what in message #36850:
An interesting point. We do however, by discussing it as controversial or not, give credence to the "art". Natalia Edenmont(?) did likewise controversial stuff with dead animals. Suddenly an explosion of attention making "controversial" actions, deeply thought "art".

As for exploiting minors...probably not. Seems like he was very careful through the entire process of screening and acquiring models. I could be wrong with my American view of nudity but do bosoms go through non-offensive (up to 4-5 years) to offensive (5-17 years) and then back to non-offensive (18-up)? Now no genitals are being shown, and that certainly would cross that line.

He's taken the necessary steps to stay in the realm of legality and the questions his art raises are the same anywhere else.

Child pornography? Maybe, maybe not. How does the artist, the parents and the child feel about it? How does the viewer feel about it?
---I can't speak for everyone, but the term "pornographic" insights some sort of reasoning that a sexual act, or sexually implicit act is going on. I don't
---find anything sexual about the image in question. Certainly some people will. Some people think animals are tools of sexual manipulation as well...

All in all he's right at that line of "right" and "wrong" that stimulates the public. I sometimes get that same feeling watching my sushi still moving.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
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message 36851/37486 2010-03-10 13:36:55 (-0600)
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36851:
Australia is in some renaissance for censorship, the cleanfeed inet, no more small breasts in porn (?! bizarre and unnatural yes?) and now children in art have to be screened at a pricetag of $500 to explain to state prosecutors for each exhibition. Sure he's legit but when I try to rationalise Henson's impetus..... I keep coming back to creepy. Like a dude with the camera loose in the washrooms at a school fair.

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message 36852/37486 2010-03-11 00:53:26 (-0600)
metalyxmii
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in reply to what in message #36852:
I like that analogy.

Perhaps, perhaps not. From the rest of his work his language seems to aim for that feeling. On his controversial photograph I get something completely different. It's still in his language but just barely. Then again, it has to be so. He must be very careful because he is treading water at the child pornography line. It's only for that reason that he's getting serious attention (or so I think). The other images in his portfolio don't announce anything grand or life-changing.

I'm forced to release a prodigious "meh" at him, and here's why.

Photographers are not artists. The things they capture are only amazing to the sight deficient.
All of his photographs desperately try to choke the last bits of air from a small movement that has always been in it's death throes.
Finally as to his being creepy, I must disagree. He's an economist. Past any "artistic" motivation, he's receiving more attention now for approaching that line than ever before.(as far as I'm aware, and I've seen a Borris Vallejo collection).

In short, that feeling you're getting is what he's driving for. Just offensive enough to evoke some sort of reaction, not offensive enough for punishment. It's only when we start feeling ways about things, that things get screwy.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
message 36853/37486 2010-03-11 02:55:04 (-0600)
morbidskittle187
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to what in message #36850:
Yes creepy/ yes exploitation. If a guy ever even asked one of my kids (if I ever have any/ the youth group kids at my church) to pose for something and it ended up being one of those photos I would be hard pressed not to beat the crap out of him.

Especially this: http://www.roslynoxley9.com.au/images/galleries/Henson_1995/013.jpg

I think this guy is just a pedophile but instead of molesting kids he's living in the fantasy of the sick world he creates with his pictures.



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message 36854/37486 2010-03-11 06:58:54 (-0600)
metalyxmii
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to morbidskittle187 in message #36854:
Why that one in particular?

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message 36855/37486 2010-03-11 12:11:01 (-0600)
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36853:
"Photographers are not artists. The things they capture are only amazing to the sight deficient. "

So anyone who gets wowed by a photo is blind to reality?

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message 36856/37486 2010-03-11 13:11:44 (-0600)
metalyxmii
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to what in message #36856:
That's just about right, and poetic to boot.

This isn't to say that amazing things cannot be captured via film. Capturing the right picture is more an exercise in film purchase than artistic integrity. Doubly so when the caption is planned. The step after that is capturing high-def film and pulling frames for artistic value.

Don't get me wrong here, there are pictures I love to see. Due to the subjective nature of what is to be considered "art", I'll give a perspective comparison.

The Sistine Chapel, art.
Paid models getting there picture taken, not art.
The Mona Lisa, art.
My avatar, not art.

etc...

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
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message 36857/37486 2010-03-11 13:30:55 (-0600)
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36857:
van Eyck portrait, art.
Leibovitz's take of John & Yoko, not art?

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message 36858/37486 2010-03-11 13:47:06 (-0600)
metalyxmii
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to what in message #36858:
Too true.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
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message 36859/37486 2010-03-11 14:13:49 (-0600)
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36857:

So you're saying that anything Man Ray did is not art?

Google "Influential artist of dadaism". First page that pops up has a number of photographers, all renowned for their /art/. The first one that comes to mind, besides Marcel Duchamp, is Man Ray, who was originally a painter (ie, an artist by your standards), who picked up photography to document his paintings, then found that he could do more with photography than with paint. But then again, not all his pictures were captured via film. He invented photograms (originally ray-o-grams).

But then, I guess he's not an artist.




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message 36860/37486 2010-03-11 17:45:31 (-0600)
metalyxmii
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to ironkitten82 in message #36860:
ok


All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
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message 36861/37486 2010-03-11 17:49:42 (-0600)
metalyxmii
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36853:
Well I must have stricken a nerve. You guys are great.

Instead of attacking the karma, perhaps we can just talk about it? 2 in a day no less.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
-Marquis De Sade
message 36862/37486 2010-03-11 17:58:19 (-0600)
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36862:
Seriously, people, de-karmaing for disagreeing?

Shit, if I did that, you'd all be -15 by now.

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message 36863/37486 2010-03-11 18:05:34 (-0600)
morbidskittle187
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to metalyxmii in message #36855:
Because it looks particularly sexually posed. Not to mention this quote of his -- "These portraits are much more connected to the suburban dimension of my work. Right down to the skanky fingernail polish she's wearing,"

What a douche.



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message 36864/37486 2010-03-11 19:49:28 (-0600)
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to outzider in message #36863:
-1: SMRT

:P



Kai Hamuti.

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message 36865/37486 2010-03-11 20:21:41 (-0600)
outzider
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to kai in message #36865:
Maybe I should add photo posting to these boards, after all. Who wouldn't want to see my nuts?

Watch this, you're gonna love my nuts.

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message 36866/37486 2010-03-11 20:36:57 (-0600)
metalyxmii
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to morbidskittle187 in message #36864:
I'm having a hard time finding his take on these works. All I'm coming up with are similar discussions over the controversial. Could you shoot me a link?

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
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message 36867/37486 2010-03-11 20:57:14 (-0600)
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to outzider in message #36866:
My nuts, your chin? I'm a turkey: gobble, gobble!



Kai Hamuti.

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message 36868/37486 2010-03-11 22:32:51 (-0600)
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subject: re: censorship
in reply to outzider in message #36866:
Mmmm goatse.

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message 36869/37486 2010-03-11 23:13:41 (-0600)
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subject: start drinking.
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/korean-couple-kill-their-own-infant-while-nurturing-virtual-baby-1053551/

get married! With fifty bucks and half hour you can totally ruin your life!
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