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jade_quest
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in reply to morbidskittle187 in message #2760:
I think you've got the gist of it down.


I think the big thing that trips people up is that it can be love, real love, and still end.

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paradox
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in reply to morbidskittle187 in message #2760:
Skittles has it about right.

Love isn't a feeling, although it can be accompanied by some very nice feelings.

Love is choosing to do what's best for the other person, even when it sucks for yourself. consistently. indefinitely. without expectation of anything in return. even if it isn't "fair" for you to keep doing it.

The trick is finding someone to love who truly loves you in return. Without that you may be in a very one-sided relationship, but that won't prevent you from continuing to love them.




"I am a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar."
message 2762/2784 2008-06-09 09:16:04 [save my place] [reply]
paradox
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subject: re:
in reply to jade_quest in message #2761:
Love can end only when you decide to stop trying.




"I am a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar."
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morbidskittle187
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in reply to paradox in message #2762:
I would say if you feel it's not "fair" for you to keep doing something it's because you're either in your aforementioned one-sided relationship, or you shouldn't be in a relationship at all due to immaturity.

But if your not fulfilled in a relationship regardless something is missing either within the relationship or within yourself.

And sometimes people just aren't right for each other. That doesn't mean they didn't give it a good go. Sometimes unfortunately love just isn't enough.

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paradox
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in reply to morbidskittle187 in message #2764:
That is another way to look at it.

Does "a good go" equate to real love?




"If you don't like it, you can shove it. But you don't like it; you LOVE it."
-- Rivers Cuomo,
"The Greatest Man That Ever Lived", Weezer (the red album)
message 2765/2784 2008-06-11 10:55:48 [save my place] [reply]
morbidskittle187
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in reply to paradox in message #2765:
That would have to be determined on a case to case basis.

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paradox
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in reply to morbidskittle187 in message #2766:
I wholly agree.




"If you don't like it, you can shove it. But you don't like it; you LOVE it."
-- Rivers Cuomo,
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message 2767/2784 2008-06-13 13:50:36 [save my place] [reply]
the_bob
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in reply to paradox in message #2762:
Which sort of describes my first marriage.... Hence the question I suppose.

Bob, -- It isn't that you're stupid; it is just that you're ignorant.
message 2768/2784 2008-06-14 21:43:11 [save my place] [reply]
morbidskittle187
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in reply to the_bob in message #2768:
*nods*





----We live on a placid island of ignorance, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. -H.P. Lovecraft
message 2769/2784 2008-06-15 18:21:54 [save my place] [reply]
mq
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subject: coffee?
i like my women like a like my coffee, pale and sweet as hell.



drink rum, ski off cliffs
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homeslice
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in reply to mq in message #2770:
I like my women like I like my coffee.

With a spoon in them.



Even my henchmen think I'm crazy.
message 2771/2784 2008-06-19 13:58:18 [save my place] [reply]
mq
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in reply to homeslice in message #2771:
i like my women like i like my latte, short with lots of head.



drink rum, ski off cliffs
message 2772/2784 2008-06-19 14:20:54 [save my place] [reply]
naiiad
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in reply to mq in message #2772:
I like my women like I like my wine, Full-bodied, sweet, complex & heady.

The autist formerly known as naiiad.
message 2773/2784 2008-06-19 15:00:32 [save my place] [reply]
grasshead
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Okay, here's the deal-io.

So, there's this girl. She and I are having this long-distance relationship/non-relationship bit. Very confusing. Thing is, we both have very strong feelings for one another, and we both know it.

Anyways, she's talking to her best friend about something, and she tells me that she had that conversation. However, she does not tell me what the subject matter was. Tells me that "You don't want to know the answer. ... It's just gonna hurt you."

A minute or two pass and she tells me, grumbling, that they were talking about her affections for someone else -- which will never transgress, she assures me -- and that the best friend trusts him "even less then she does you."

From what I have gathered about him -- both from conversations with him as well as conversations about him -- he and I are quite similar in personality. Not exactly alike, 'mind you but similar. There are many reasons why they wouldn't work out, she says. I am not one of them, she assures me after I tell her I don't want to be one of those reasons. One reason, she told me, is that he is broken. She is not at liberty to discuss why or how with me, but she assures me that he is.

Thing is though, I know I should be bothered by this more than I actually am. Sure, I'm a wee bit if'd by this, but I'm just calm as I can be about this situation. It feels weird, like a knife wound that I know should uberly hurt me but... it just doesn't for some reason.


Take that as you will


-[alpha]{BETA}[delta]
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basementcat
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in reply to grasshead in message #2774:
My advice (and I'm not trying to be snarky here) is RUN. Run like the wind in the opposite direction.

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message 2775/2784 2008-07-25 11:55:17 [save my place] [reply]
mq
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subject: shit.
ok so i have found a truly wonderful woman. we respect each other, we comunicate well and are even working together to improve all aspecs of our relationship. not that it needs that much. our sex life, while on the vanilla side, is good and seems to be expanding in creativity as well as kink. she is kind and open, and since i am the first male she has dated since high school (for the fifteen years she played for the other team) she is not jaded yet and welcomes new experiences. she is living with her parents while she pays off her student loans, a little weird at thirty, but i understand and we all get alonge great. she has a masters degree to pay off and a good career to do it with.

so here is the rub. my mom is sick, and want to live out the rest of her life at sea. her and my step father have work very hard to re-fit the boat i grew up on and it is about to go back in the water. they need a crew of at least ME to help them as they are old enough to make way but need a little extra muscle from time to time to keep things sailing. my mom has saved my old birth and has made preperations for me (maybe me +1) to go to sea. (think years not days at sea) i would love to see the world that way. the Marqueses, Thiti, maybe thru the Panama canal and over the the Medetrainen, ect ect.

we have talked about this and i don't think she wants to leave her parents, or is cut out to live that kind of life. she has never been camping even or has ever gone swimming in natural water (only swimming pools).

i am crazy to give up what could be the best girl ever, my potential life partner. i know i'll never meet another one like her again. and my only shot at living a good land based life.

i am crazy to give up what could be the best adventure of my life, a life style that i know i would love and are better suited to than the trappings of dry land.



drink rum, ski off cliffs
message 2776/2784 2008-07-31 16:34:14 [save my place] [reply]
basementcat
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in reply to mq in message #2776:
If your desire for adventure is that powerful, just go. You'll grow resentful through the years if you stay.

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message 2777/2784 2008-08-09 11:42:49 [save my place] [reply]
jadefalcon1
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subject: re: shit.
in reply to mq in message #2776:
My (now) wife pointed out that you should try taking this woman out on a boat, if only for a few hours. She might really love it. Try her out on it and see what she thinks.

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message 2778/2784 2008-08-12 12:45:27 [save my place] [reply]
mq
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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #2778:
we've been talking about it, and, well, er...

she is not opposed to a short "as long as we are near land" trip. but she does not want to leave her: career, dog, parents, 30K of college debt, ect. behind. and she freaks out about weather. "what if there are waves out there" me "well of course there are going to be waves, all the time, the boat will have a constant gental rock to it perpetually, you'll get used to it" her "i don't know, it's one thing to be on a big cruise ship where the waves are way below you" me again " i assure you, my boat is safer than a cruise ship" more cruise ships have sunk than boats of my make"

then we sleep, and everything gos back to normal, untill the nest time my mom calls. i am planning to go to santa cruz to visit my mom around the end of the month.

drink rum, ski off cliffs
message 2779/2784 2008-08-12 17:08:01 [save my place] [reply]
jadefalcon1
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subject: re: shit.
in reply to mq in message #2779:
What kind of boat are we talking about here, anyway?

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message 2780/2784 2008-08-13 10:48:15 [save my place] [reply]
mq
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subject: re: shit.
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #2780:
its a 38' ingrid ketch they are safer than most coast guard ships, all cruise ships, and several designs of fishing vessels.



drink rum, ski off cliffs
message 2781/2784 2008-08-13 20:07:55 [save my place] [reply]
jadefalcon1
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in reply to mq in message #2781:
Looks like a beautiful class of vessel. Got photos of yours? Do you always sail it ketch rigged, or do you run it cutter rigged sometimes?

I've been wondering, too: how would you afford to go overseas? Food isn't cheap, and increasingly neither is fuel.

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message 2782/2784 2008-08-13 22:16:50 [save my place] [reply]
valkyrie
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subject: re: shit.
in reply to mq in message #2776:
My parents have spent the last thirteen years (mostly) living aboard their sailboat--from Mexico, across the Pacific Ocean, to New Zealand and Australia. The things they have seen and done are beyond compare.

If you are, in fact, better suited to a life on the water, there are other places than here to look for a partner. Besides, well-seasoned travelers are hot. *wink* Only one way to find out, you know.

One option offers you amazing possibilities. The other offers you amazing certainties.



Valkyrie

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message 2783/2784 2008-08-25 21:49:55 [save my place] [reply]
mq
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in reply to valkyrie in message #2783:
of course there is the whole "moving in my mother" thing. even if it is on a boat and travelling around the world. i would still be living with my mother again.

and i am already hot.

i am still not convinced i can't have my cake and eat it too. i am slowly working on her too maybe want to get away from our society for a while. basically i am leaveing it up to politics. if McCain gets elected and turns the downward sprial that America is on in to a crash landing (like most of his planes as a pilot) i am thinking about useing this as a parachute. but if Obama is elected, i am going to try to stick it out and hope for better times to start a life together with.



drink rum, ski off cliffs
message 2784/2784 2008-09-01 22:03:31 [save my place] [reply]

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