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subject: re: truth of beauty
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Ok, we’ve got the ‘beauty in the eye of the beholder’ thing nailed down pretty firmly…at least in our own eyes...but once again, what about my dog? Do you think humans are the only earthbound species that have some form of appreciation that could be described as a sense of beauty, or do you think that that 'sense' might be more universal?

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2008-09-27 16:48:58

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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i think that all living, sentient beings have a concept of beauty in their own way. sure, animals may procreate simply for the sake of it, but how would we know if a dag finds attraction in its mate or not? -Necro "Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordian"

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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Dag? Are you from Boston by any chance? At any rate, how would we know if our dog finds attraction in its mate? Why I simply asked mine! He told me recently that his gal smells really beautiful when she's in heat. I asked him what his normative standard was to which he based that assertion, but he simply shook his head and walked off muttering something about stupid humans… So, beauty is universal, just not absolute.

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2008-09-28 03:02:41

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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The one thing to remember is that the feeling of beauty, and interaction is a chemical response in your brain. That is the form of it, our sensory perception turns it into the feelings of beauty, attraction, lust, or whatnot. The signals we sense are primarily human centric, what we sense and perceive will not be anything similar to what a dog would need to get the same emotional response. That is saying that the dogs have the same emotional response. At this point you need to be careful that you aren't painting a specific human response across species. As I said this is all chemicals in the brain. The reason for the response is to ensure that the animal reproduces. Attraction allows for a possibility of transferring your genetic material to the next generation. Pure and simple. If you are going to hypothesize whether or not a specific animal has a concept of beauty, do it with the boundries of the species, don't try to relate the human response to the animals response. Bob, -- It isn't that you're stupid; it is just that you're ignorant.

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2008-09-28 07:46:48

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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Well now doesn't that just blow the frame out of all my favorite Walt Disney movies.

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2008-09-28 18:22:06

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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well... all humans do have the same eye for some "aspects" of beauty, but not all. Symmetry and proportion is the most universally recognized concept of beauty. all humans are attracted to symmetrical objects, numbers, buildings, people, plants... we find patterns in everything. we try to assign value to every aspect of life, society, rules, reason and so on, simply by drawing a line right down the middle and trying to balance the resulting equation... if the equation doesn't balance then people will spend their entire life looking for a reason or attempting to force it to balance. universal symmetry is the primary distraction that either puts us at ease or keeps us searching. some people even want their numbers to be prettier. (just ask the dozenal society.) this is explained by the aforementioned, breeding theory... if a person is not symmetrical and proportionate, their is something wrong with them... so don't fuck them. survival of the fittest has instilled this notion into our brains quite thoroughly. we are born with the ability to find facial patterns and to be happy when we recognize a pattern and to be scared when we don't recognize the pattern. do you think that ability and predisposition weakens with age? or does it get stronger? so in short, NO. beauty is not universal. its just a word that was made up for us, so we don't have to understand what it means but can still communicate it to others. and our notion of beauty (Beholders eye) is simply a conglomeration of preferred survival and mating techniques comprised of chemical/emotional reactions that we where born with and have been practicing, reinforcing and adapting throughout life. ...don't fuck your mom. Fuck the Facade

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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Although I can agree to most of what you said. There are always exceptions to anything. I am quite comfortable in states of anti-symmetry, including situations where the sides are not of proportionate opposition. For instance my ear piercings. Although I do technically have 5 in both sides I only wear 4 in my right ear and the 5th on my left ear only is in the upper cartilage. Also the way the earrings are organized bother people who have OCD (seriously)l. Left: Plug, barbell, horseshoe, barbell, barbell. Right: Plug, hoop, hoop, horseshoe. :) -Krista- ...And so I've learned the meaning of the sun. {Azure Ray}

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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AH! Make everything match, for Christ sake! EEP! lmao j/k :D Take that as you will. -[alpha]{BETA}[delta]

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2008-10-06 15:36:30

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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im not saying symmetry is the most important thing... im just saying we are born not just appreciating it but almost all our emotion and understanding of the universe in our first few weeks is based entirely on the symmetry and patterns of faces that we recognize. at least with our eyes, all our other senses are used nearly entirely to help us find our mothers breasts. Fuck the Facade

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2008-10-06 16:39:45

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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I was never breast fed. ----We live on a placid island of ignorance, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. -H.P. Lovecraft

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2008-10-07 06:50:24

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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No!:P ----We live on a placid island of ignorance, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. -H.P. Lovecraft

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2008-10-07 06:50:42

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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Yes and I'll breast feed you? :P Take that as you will. -[alpha]{BETA}[delta]

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2008-10-07 15:05:34

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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But I definitely remember Mom's tits were lopsided. And there was a mole under her right nipple... totally facinating!

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2008-10-07 20:26:07

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subject: re: truth of beauty
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Ha ha ha ha hA HA HA HA! No thanks! -Krista- ...And so I've learned the meaning of the sun. {Azure Ray}

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