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naiiad
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in reply to the_bob in message #3029:
It is asinine to believe that IQ, physical prowess, or savant abilities come solely from the X-chromosome.

In fact, mine and at least one other family I can think of are direct contradictions of that assumption.

The autist formerly known as naiiad.
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the_bob
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in reply to naiiad in message #3031:
There are numerous genes on numerous chromosomes that decide a person mental and physical aptitude. Look at the results from a variety of autosomal disorders, including individuals that have one copy or three copies of a particular chromosome.

That isn't to say that the X-chromosome doesn't influence the expression of the genes of the other chromosomes, but it remains that the X chromosome is not SOLELY responsible for IQ, physical prowess, or savant abilities.

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the_bob
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in reply to guymella in message #3033:
Er... not quite.

The stability of the X chromosome isn't dependent on the number of copies of it, but on the DNA repair and upkeep mechanisms. A analogy. A raided computer with a single drive will work as well as a Raid 0 system with two drives. If the raid controller is buggy then the data cannot be guaranteed, the drives could be fine but the data might not be accurate. Not a good analogy, but workable.

Men are more likely to express x-linked genetic disorders because of the lack of a second copy of the chromosome. That has nothing to do with stability and mutation. This is basic genetics. As well, in women, there is the selective deactivation of a X chromosome. It isn't always the same one. Having two copies of the chromosome doesn't always help either. If I can find my human genetics textbook I will cite it for you.

Most of the mutations and genetic diseases are the fault of the mother. The DNA of the ovum is at least the age of the mother while the fertilizing sperm is only a few days old at best. The DNA contribution from the mother has a higher chance of mutation then that from the father.

The IQ scale could be more nurture then nature. It is also that the women express a different intelligence due to their differing role in nature.

Do a little reading and take a genetics course.

Bob
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in reply to guymella in message #3038:
Just have to say, I love the icon.

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the_bob
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in reply to guymella in message #3038:
I will say this for the third time, and no you aren't understanding the genetics. From what I can see, you have a high school understanding of it all.

The stability of all the chromosomes is more dependent on the genetic code of several genes that ARE NOT ON THE X Chromosome. These of the DNA repair genes, the onocogenes, and the apoptosis genes. These genes repair the DNA that mutates. These kill the cell if it can't be saved. These are the keepers of the genome. This is what prevent mutation and deals with mutation. As well as the fact that there is a good chance that the X you are getting is within 5 generations of a male ancestor. The genetic damage, considering the gene density, will be minor, and repairable.

What you call the pertinent parts are the parts that are plain wrong. While the mother has a higher chance of provided a mutated set of chromosomes, not all her genetic material is going to be mutated. They aren't going to be reliant on the Father's X over the mother's. This is not going to be the hot bed of mutations. It is going to be the genetic reason that the male will be better then the other.

The assumption that you making that physical traits and mental stabilities is based on the X chromosome is ludicrous. You're trying to relate multi-gene and multi-chromosomal traits to one chromosomal and mutilating the genetics to fail to prove your point. The amount of bad science you are trying to pull off as a legitimate argument.

Only having one X chromosome doesn't make anyone more susceptible to mutation. It makes them male and more likely to express x-linked genes. If anything it makes the male less healthy.

You're wrong. I can't say it more simply.

Bob
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niroe
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in reply to guymella in message #3033:
READ DUMBASS.

No, thanks. You talk too much.

Scroll... scroll.. ... ..scroll..

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naiiad
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in reply to guymella in message #3037:
O_o Way to read far more into my statement than I stated, Dumbass.

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in reply to guymella in message #3042:
#3027
"a man with the same DNA could reach much higher potentials simply because of the higher potential for mutation. "

#3043
"i never claimed in any way that this is what makes men better"

You implied it all to hell, and you're making fundamental errors in your genetic logic. As well your reasoning is fundamentally flawed in several of your posts. You don't grasp the subtleties of the various chromosomal interactions. You're grasping for straws trying to string two completely unrelated things together.


Bob
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the_bob
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in reply to guymella in message #3046:
It is isn't it.

I'll be damned though if it isn't true.

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subject: Serious question
Why is it that some women can work a computer from top to bottom with very few problems, but cannot figure out the DVD player or the microwave? Someone, please help me with this.



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the_bob
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in reply to homeslice in message #3048:
because they are unfamiliar with the technology. I get blocked like that myself. I can work a computer from tip to tail, but if I get in front of a machine I am not familiar with... it takes a little to figure it out.

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in reply to homeslice in message #3048:
I'm just too busy acquiring awesome skills and have no interest in the mundane. Plus, you are quite skilled at microwaving things, so that works out just fine as far as I am concerned. :P

Weren't you supposed to make me a burger? *swats your ass*

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morbidskittle187
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in reply to homeslice in message #3048:
If we didn't occasionally feign ignorance on such matters, what would you men have to do at all?! :P

But being serious now. The other night my boyfriend and I went to get gas for his truck. Upon arriving at the pump I see this woman who is having great difficulty figuring out how the gas pump works. So I'm watching her, and thinking maybe it's more complicated than it looks or maybe it's broken. But then upon looking at the one closer to me, I see there's actually a button that says "press here to start". So she must not have put her credit card in, and pushed start, while the nozzle was in her tank. So I was thinking maybe she's an idiot, Or maybe she's just like I am, where I sometimes lose composure in the face of new technology. But personally I've noticed I don't lose composure as much as most of the women around me. And I generally end up figuring out what to do.

:)





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goddessofperversity
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subject: I can not get out of this mood.

Good men are like good old books. Quiet, thoughtful, and bound in leather.



Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. Douglas Adams
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metalyxmii
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in reply to goddessofperversity in message #3052:
And good women are like good coffee. Ground up and in the freezer.


...I mean robust and full of steamy flavor?

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sporks
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in reply to metalyxmii in message #3053:
Bitter and the leading cause of burning mucous membranes.

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goddessofperversity
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in reply to metalyxmii in message #3053:

Jesus.
I try to give you free S&M, and THIS is how you repay me?


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goddessofperversity
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in reply to homeslice in message #3048:

Heh.
I just watched Tim spend two hours cursing at the VCR because someone accidently changed a channel.
I don't think it's limited to females.





Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all. Douglas Adams
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metalyxmii
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in reply to goddessofperversity in message #3055:
Free S&M my balls. There's never any such thing when dealing with the opposite gender. I like a good smack in the face with wooden dowel on occasion as much as the next guy, but it's never really free.

All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
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chuckster
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in reply to metalyxmii in message #3057:
Now that was funny!

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metalyxmii
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subject: Riddle me this,
Who really is better I wonder? If given the choice, I'd pick all the guys to be on my team for dodgeball because we tend to be faster and stronger. If I wanted a BJ, I'd pick all the ladies because stubble irritates the ballsack. If I had to have sex with someone, it would be a female. If I wanted to have a good intelligent conversation, I would have to talk to a dude. What's your input? Who would you choose for what? Who's actually better?

Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much. - God
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