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cyco
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subject: oZ help...
Ok oZ you man with the master plan, help me out. Oh yeah...Please? :-D
Is it a huge pain in the ass? Oh and maybe you could float me some tips if it isnt.

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in reply to cyco in message #571:
Yeah, I currently have a desktop PC and a laptop running OS X, and have installed it on four previous laptops. It's actually not too hard to get things started, but it's the minutia that will kill you. Like, it'll boot, take you to your desktop, but for some reason, your USB won't work and you have no sound. This usually requires some quick hacks to get things working, and in some cases, there is just not a driver for the component you're looking for. This is especially hard on laptops.

First place to go is the InsanelyMac Forums. Search the forums there for the type of machine you're installing on, someone's probably already done it and written it up for you to get all of your components working. I've done two, one for the Lenovo ThinkPad X61 Tablet, and one for the Gateway C-5815 Tablet PC. You'll find that AMD machines are a bit tricker, but there is a huge community behind it, and someone even made a custom software updater to make sure you don't brick your machine.

My desktop is a Pentium D at 3 GHz, with an Intel 945 chipset, a GeForce 7600GS graphic card, onboard ALC audio and Realtek ethernet, with SATA drives and a IDE drive, and a USB keyboard. Everything works pretty much out of the box now, except for the Pentium D which requires a custom kernel. The disk images you get off of various torrent sites will have these custom kernels and drivers already, so you'll be able to check off the stuff you require for your machine.

Let me finish by saying this. The community does not thrive on pirating software, nor should it be about software piracy. If it works for you, go out and buy a copy of OS X. Installing OS X on a PC does violate the EULA, but that's hard to enforce, and a company called Psystar is now dealing with Apple to try to change it. I don't want to be seen as stealing Apple's software, though, so I bought a copy. It gives you some legal wiggle room, and helps keep up the OS updates.

- oZ
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in reply to outzider in message #572:
Personally, I hope Psystar loses. Apple isn't a software company like Microsoft; the vast majority of Apple's revenue comes from hardware sales, especially the Mac and iPhone. If the mid-90s taught us anything, it's that licensing the Mac OS to other platforms is a huge financial mistake for Apple.

I don't have a beef with people building Hackintoshes or Frankenmacs in their garage to run OS X if they want to, as that's kind of in the vein of Apple's original 1977 spirit… but the worst thing Apple could do to itself is officially license OS X for other platforms.



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cyco
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in reply to outzider in message #572:
Thank you oZ. I am saving those sites as I type. I already have a copy of OSX. ;) Though it did come with my macbook, hehehe.

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in reply to cyco in message #574:
You'll have to jump through extra hoops to get a software restore OS X disc to work on any computer other than the one it came with. A retail OS X install disc will install on any Mac, so long as it meets the minimum requirements, but an OS X restore disc that comes with a computer is designed to do a hardware check, and if it doesn't find the specific model of Mac it was made for, it will halt the installation.

There's a workaround for that problem here, but it's Mac-specific, so I don't know how much that will help you on your project.



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in reply to kai in message #573:
Oh, they'll definitely lose, and I'm okay with that. After the questions I've seen on that forum, I wouldn't want Apple to waste their time supporting it. However, I'm not opposed to a budget licensee who takes care of the support load. Good OS on lame hardware seems an okay sweet spot, and Apple could charge a huge license fee.

That would have to come much later.

I bought a MacBook today.

- oZ
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in reply to outzider in message #576:
Mwahaha, welcome back.

I played around with one of the new ones earlier. Solid machine in many ways, but not my thang in many others.



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in reply to kai in message #577:
The things I thought would bug me haven't so far, but I suppose given time, they'll annoy me. I read your post -- you're right, the chiclet keyboard is much improved from the older MacBooks. Man, those pissed me off. It's still not as good as the ThinkPad keyboard, but it'll do. The multitouch pad is fucking awesome. The screen.... I actually like it so far. Then again, I'm not seeing it under fluorescents. In a week, watch me bitch about the fucking screen.

I heard someone's working on a diffuser you can just rest on the screen. Might not be terrible.

This is a light, thin, nice machine. I'm happy so far. My checking account? Not so much. :)

- oZ
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cyco
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in reply to outzider in message #578:
What did you get, whats the specs?

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in reply to cyco in message #579:
outzider edited this message: lol oZ
MacBook Late 2008 edition, base model. 2.0GHz Penryn P7350 Core 2 Duo, 2gb DDR3 RAM, 160gb SATA2 hard drive, DVD-RW DL, and the standard stuff: 1280x800 13.3" display, infrared, 2xUSB2, audio in/out, display port. Got an adapter for my 22" LCD so I may be able to replace my desktop. Ordered a 320gb SATA2 drive to replace the 160gb, and will likely craigslist that.

Nice machine, so far.




- oZ
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kai
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in reply to outzider in message #580:
2 GHz? Dude, my wife's 2007 MacBook is faster than that.

Of course, yours is a Penryn, so faster ≠ more powerful I guess. Still.

RAM is cheap, though, so unless you're already eating Ramen waffles for breakfast, there's no excuse to have anything less than 4 GB. Macsales is good, and so is newegg. But you know that as well as I do.



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in reply to kai in message #581:
Yeah, gigahertz is relative, but the baseline always shifts as time goes on. It seems to benchmark well, but I'm sure your wife's machine is faster.

RAM is cheap, but I already snuck the hard drive by, so RAM will have to come later.

- oZ
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in reply to outzider in message #582:
That's cool.

Did you ever get around to putting MachineSettings.framework up on abstractwankery?



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cyco
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in reply to kai in message #581:
The Front side bus speed is faster on the new ones. The old ones like mine is like 600 mhz and the new ones are somewhere around 1.0 and 1.2. Correct me if I am wrong, please? (not being a smart ass) That has got to be a bit faster. The one I want has the 2.4 ghz proc', but I dont want to shell out the $1,600 for it :-p

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kai
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in reply to cyco in message #584:
The older chipset has a 667 MHz FSB. The new ones have 1066 MHz FSB.

From what I've been seeing on benchmarks, the increase in FSB speed provides a very minimal increase in overall performance. Especially since the RAM is still clocked down somewhere around 800 MHz.

Honestly, unless you're doing heavy-duty gaming or video editing (two things you really shouldn't be doing on a regular MacBook anyway), the 2.0 GHz model that oZ got is "good enough" for the most part.

(I say as I type on my 2.6 GHz monstrosity…)



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in reply to kai in message #585:
RAM is clocked at 1067MHz.

Also, only thing killing video editing on this is the lack of FireWire 400. On the other hand, the only video I edit is from my digital camera, and that's not ezactly HD. That being said, this thing far outperforms a dual G5 system, which many people still edit video and photos with. ;)

- oZ
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cyco
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in reply to outzider in message #586:
Well thank you both for the info'. I think when I do buy one, I will just get the base model, but not the white one :-p. I say this as I type on my white macbook. Man I fucking hate white. hehehe.

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kai
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in reply to outzider in message #586:
Hey, remember three years ago when all of us were ready to throw handfuls of our own shit at Steve Jobs over the Intel transition? And now, three years later, my portable Mac's processor is over three times more powerful than a 1.6 GHz G5 tower. Good times.



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