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in reply to mq in message #1199:
That would be fun!

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in reply to grasshead in message #1200:
we've got another 4.5 billion years before the sun starts to get cranky.

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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1202:
We've got 4.5 years before the sun is dead. It'll start getting cranky well before then.




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in reply to grasshead in message #1203:
The sun isn't going to die in the next 4.5 years. If that was the case, all the inner planets would've been incinerated long ago.

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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1204:
Did I really forget to put billion at the end of 4.5? Oh, I did. lol

Yeah, I meant 4.5 billion years. The sun is going to die in 4.5 billion years. :D




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*Obligatory Austin Powers/Dr. Evil Reference. *

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"We don't negotiate with terrorists, Dr. Evil." :-P




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mq
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Ah yes, but as the sun uses up its fuel it will become less dense and there for lose some of its gravitational pull. So the current argument is whether the sun will expand out ward because the gravitational pull will do less to keep it together and eat the closest planets; or, if our orbits will change first and we will be released into the inhospitable outer universe.

Personally i am hoping for the "quantum bounce" to at least happen first, so we will know if our universe pulses in and out of existence. All we would need is to see an appreciable slowing of the expansion of the universe. Maybe in the next three billion years or so?



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in reply to grasshead in message #1205:
The sun won't die in 4.5 billion years. It will move on to the helium-fusing stage of a typical main-sequence star, becoming a red giant. Once that stage ends (I don't know how long), there won't be enough mass to initiate CNO fusion, so the gaseous layers will dissipate as a planetary nebula, and the core will remain as a white dwarf. That's essentially when the sun will die, but the former core will continue to radiate heat for billions of years. Get your marshmallows ready

As the density of the sun drops, the planets will move outward, but it's still an open question as to where Earth will end up. The sun could lose anywhere from 25 to 40% of its mass in the transition, which will directly affect where the remaining planets will orbit. Complicating matters is the fact that stars (and gas giant planets, for that matter) don't have a proper surface. We generally take the boundary between the visible (generated or reflected light) and the invisible to be the surface, but our great distance helps maintain that illusion. Red giant stars are so diffuse that the concept of a surface is really quite meaningless. Recent research, though, indicates that tidal interactions will cause Earth to plummet towards the sun's core long before the red giant transition is complete. Mercury and Venus will certainly be toast, in any case


On a sort-of related note, I personally would like to remain around long enough to witness a nearby star going supernova. There hasn't been a good, visible blast since the 17th century



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why not downgrade plutonium to a dwarf element?
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grasshead
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in reply to gylbert in message #1209:
Ah yes, I can see someone has taken a lot of notes in AST 162.

{i}There hasn't been a good, visible blast since the 17th century {/}

Alas, I take it you weren't around in 1984.




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grasshead
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in reply to grasshead in message #1210:
Ah yes, how one missing character can mess up the flow of a post. :D




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in reply to grasshead in message #1210:
He was a bit 'tied up' by the Thought Police, at the behest of a few people from the Ministry of Truth and the Anti-Sex League.

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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1212:
*rolls eyes*

The year when the actual last big supernova was, not the book.




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that's the junior anti-sex league

Hot Lesbian ACTION!!!!!!
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jadefalcon1
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in reply to grasshead in message #1213:
I know, I was being silly.

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in reply to grasshead in message #1210:
By good and visible, I mean a supernova that noticeably brightens the night sky, is perhaps visible in daytime, and happens to occur reasonably close to the celestial equator. 1987A was way down in the LMC and invisible to anyone north of 20°N (Hawaii, Mexico City, Nouakchott, Khartoum, Hyderabad, Vientiane). I was chronologically around then, but was just across the street borrowing a cup of sugar and some eggs, and missed the whole thing ;)

Oh, and I've never taken a formal class on this stuff. I read and websurf a lot. It's probably all a result of my strong propensity towards shiny objects



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why not downgrade plutonium to a dwarf element?
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Coins, Supernovae-- same diff, really. ;-)

Ooops... Wrong Planet...
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