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in reply to hade119 in message #1320:
Google is using their expertise in search to dig into full-text books instead of the interwebz. So this lets you search for how frequently terms appear in books over time as a percentage of total words.

It's a fun way to see how frequently a word or phrase appears in literature.

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It's an art to beat yourself up like this.
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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1321:
e.g., "what the fuck" vs. "your mom"



"If you don't like it, you can shove it. But you don't like it; you LOVE it."
-- Rivers Cuomo
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in reply to paradox in message #1322:
dude! that is awesome!

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in reply to paradox in message #1322:
Guess what became popular in 2000?

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message 1324/1465 2012-04-12 12:19:26 (-0500)
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in reply to mq in message #1324:
What's with the spike in 1725?

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It's an art to beat yourself up like this.
message 1325/1465 2012-04-12 13:03:33 (-0500)
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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1325:
That was the year Nostradamus' writing that predicted my balls was successfully translated.

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message 1326/1465 2012-04-12 13:18:30 (-0500)
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This is why I'm not having kids.

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message 1327/1465 2012-05-13 16:36:05 (-0500)
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in reply to mq in message #1327:
Well, THAT was depressing. Informative, accurate, and really fucking depressing.

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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1328:
yup. and people think i am crazy for "prepping".

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in reply to mq in message #1327:
What are the key points?

I might have more interest in watching the 80 minute video, but Jades synopsis detours me greatly. Two depressings in one sentence sparks questionable interest.

Expect Nothing.
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in reply to redrix in message #1330:
I'm watching it now. Skip key points.

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message 1331/1465 2012-05-14 22:59:10 (-0500)
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in reply to redrix in message #1331:
yeah. but sadly a "think tank" in WA DC, that is most likely funded by the petroleum industry, has already filed an injunction against him to prevent him from testifying in congress. Their case is based on "dubious" evidence, it would seem that one of the sixty some odd papers he cited in his latest publication was discredited. Not that will stand up in court on merit, but I am sure they will drag it out for as long as possible and end up costing him a fortune if he chooses to pursue it.

They play some pretty dirty pool.

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in reply to mq in message #1327:
You don't want your kids to be that guy, or are you afraid they will be living in a hell on earth type world?

Expect Nothing.
message 1333/1465 2012-05-15 00:12:38 (-0500)
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in reply to mq in message #1332:
Quite a predictive and fearful reaction from the petro crowd. Same shitty old song...

They are good at pretty dirty pool, because they (multiple generations) have been doing it for a long time and they are the ones who have created today's system. But you should have known that already.

Maybe if some science was applied to his case, and forced into the public's eyes, he could possibly win.

Expect Nothing.
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in reply to redrix in message #1334:
That'd require "the public" to have the first fucking clue what is and is not science. We've spent at least a generation systematically beating the critical and creative thinking abilities out of school kids. Having succeeded at that, lately we've moved on to eliminating science education altogether.

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message 1335/1465 2012-05-15 00:53:37 (-0500)
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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1335:
I foresee capitalism failing. But it will be a long slow and painful process. If you look at the american system today, the golden cows in the budget like the military industrial complex and the petroleum subsidy are barely talked about, while social programs are attacked right and left. Also the "too big to fail" banks only got bigger during the bail outs. They used taxpayer money to buy one another to make them selves "too-er bigger to fail-er". It won't be long before they kick cannibalism into high gear.

I think I am going to start a "post fiat currency" education center. Something like a farm where students work a few hours a day, and in the evening we share a lesson on biology or something. I want to redefine the term "non-profit" and keep at least a vestige of the proud tradition of innovation alive here.

Let the fuckers squabble over dollars, my life is far too important for that, and there are much bigger problems to face, like the shifting climate we have been discussing.

(oh and red. if 13 extinctions in the past three years that can be directly attributed climate change, more than five hundred documented changes in behavior or habit of a species due to climate change, or even simply the fact that more species transitioned onto the endangered or threatened list last year than ever before, doesn't convince people it is time to take GCC serious, then they deserve to have their great grand children stave to death.)

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message 1336/1465 2012-05-15 09:31:27 (-0500)
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in reply to mq in message #1336:
as for the extinctions, the same is common in a culture over populated with the top-of-the-food-chain species. long slow and painful pretty much describes that.

i don't care about all the species that are being erased from the earth, but there new species being created everyday. That's life. I'm more interested in seeing the new then holding on to the old. That is evolution, right?

like species, I'm sure there will be newer social systems created for the mass, and I'm sure they will all fail and/or change over time. Currency or not, there will always be the assholes who want more for themselves paving the way.

ah yes, GCC. That too will change as the rest of the world does. As there is already, a greater energy than burning coal or use oil will come into play once they figure out how to make money from it. That should save the world...

*puffs his bubble pipe*

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message 1337/1465 2012-05-15 19:16:28 (-0500)
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in reply to redrix in message #1337:
That is not exactly how this is working, before human times when a species died out it was because is was being out competed by another species or the environment changed so rapidly it couldn't adapt (like a meteor hitting the earth and all the dinosaurs going extinct). In today's world we kind of have both happening at once, not only are humans displacing natural land in huge tracts (out competing other species for resources, unless you live with a bunch of deer/wolves/squirrels/birds/snakes/etc in your house with you) but GCC is causing shifts in conditions at a rate that is unprecedented since K/T boundary deposited some 65 million years ago.

Evolution needs variety to function, if natural life is dwindling except cockroaches and grass, then all life on earth in the future, in what ever diverse forms it may take will come only from the genetic material of cockroaches and grass and what little mutation slowly adds. The problem with GCC isn't really that a lot of species will die, we've already past that tipping point, it is that ecosystem services that we rely on as humans will eventually begin to fail. Loss of diversity will inextricably lead to the extinction of the human race when not a breath of air nor bite of food will be provided to us through the complex interactions of the ecosystems we have the avarice to destroy.

In short, I don't really care about the spotted owl or polar bears either, but they are a symptom of a much greater problem that threatens the very lives of our great grand children. Become a environmentalist, or don't have kids. You are only fooling your self any other way.

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message 1338/1465 2012-05-15 20:27:21 (-0500)
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in reply to mq in message #1338:
The gods must be crazy.

I believe most humans have lost their place with nature. It's been this way for a long while. It will be this way for a while longer.

The problem with GCC has been established, so what can we do to change our ways to provide sustainability (I'm quickly starting to dislike that overused word) for the future of this world?

We can start by removing dependency on oil altogether.

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message 1339/1465 2012-06-05 19:41:00 (-0500)
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in reply to redrix in message #1339:
on a personal level, limiting consumption of single use plastics and other unnecessary resource consumption. for example I have a REI coffee cup that I use constantly, once you make good ideas habits being "green" actually becomes the easy way.

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message 1340/1465 2012-06-08 18:16:57 (-0500)
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in reply to mq in message #1340:
I smiled. My family used disposable dishware because it was too much of a chore to wash dishes and run the dishwasher three times a day. I would rather have washed the dishes, and most times did.

I've been buying less items contained in plastic and bringing my own bags to the grocery store. The store gives me 5 cents credit per bag.

I'll start working on the schematics of an engine shortly which is powered by water only.

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I have found the enemy.

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message 1342/1465 2012-07-10 16:38:44 (-0500)
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in reply to mq in message #1342:
Hah, nice.

Get enough money and influence in one place and I guess you have a recipe for douche-bags like those guys.



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message 1343/1465 2012-07-10 21:43:08 (-0500)
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in reply to redrix in message #1341:
Great policy: Toronto will be plastic bag free from Jan 1 2013: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/06/07/toronto-plastic-ban.html

You need to speak in signs. My scarf smells like a party.
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in reply to what in message #1344:
So how will I carry my crap home from the store?!?!

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in reply to hade119 in message #1345:
The same way most of us have been doing it for a while: canvas bags that don't tear when you put shit that weighs more than 2 lbs in them.

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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1346:
"most of us"?

Uh, hate to break it to you, but "most of us" still use plastic bags... I hardly EVER see anyone in NYC using a canvas bag... And even if they do, they might have 1 or 2 tops, and still take a majority of stuff home in plastic bags.

I try to go grocery shopping about once a month, so, what, am I supposed to bring about 20 canvass bags with me? Thats fucking RETARDED... Not to mention that I reuse my plastic bags for garbage bags. So now I'd have to go out and PAY for garbage bags, and it would STILL be sending the same amount of plastic to landfills. This isnt helping anything... Its just costing people MORE money in the longrun...

message 1347/1465 2012-07-11 19:28:45 (-0500)
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in reply to hade119 in message #1347:
Good thing "most" of us AREN'T in NYC.

As for landfills: if these plastic bags were going to landfills, they wouldn't be banned. They're getting in lakes, rivers, and oceans. THAT'S why they're getting banned.

And yeah, it might end up being more expensive. How often is the cheapest option short-term the cheapest option long-term? Almost never. We've had our fun with oil. It was plentiful and cheap. Now it's neither, and getting less so all the time. We can adapt now or adapt later. We will be forced to adapt at some point, it's simply a question of how long we put it off. The longer we do, the more expensive and painful it'll be.

I, too, shop maybe once or twice a month. I have a handful of bags and it works just fine. A little bit inconvenient? Wah. This empty box is full of the fucks I do not give.

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in reply to hade119 in message #1345:
Do you carry a lot of crap home from stores in Toronto?

On a more serious note, have you ever tried the significantly stronger paper bags? Genipher, can you back me up on this one? ;-)



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message 1349/1465 2012-07-11 22:22:39 (-0500)
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in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #1348:
I never said "most of us" were in NYC. That was 2 seperate sentances. All I said is "most of us" aren't using canvass bags, like you claim. I think you are making a huge generalization by saying that, without having any real proof. So, if that is a true statement, prove it.

You live in liberal, hippy, California where that junk is probably true. But I can tell you, nowhere else in America is it true. You guys are fucking feel good liberal tools, who have caused your entire state to collapse with your dumb rules. Dont take the rest of the country with you.

I live in NYC. We make money here. Our economy is fine. If we want to keep using bags made of oil, and paying $$ to do so, FUCK YOU! Everyone is so quick to ban everything. Ban this. Ban that. Hey, dickhead, if you dont like it, dont use it, but this is AMERICA. I should have the FREEDOM to make my own choises. And if I want to use plastic bags, then so be it.

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