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subject: Re: New One
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #150:
What about an external sound card?

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jadefalcon1
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subject: Re: New One
in reply to floyd in message #151:
You get a cookie.

Externals are a great option for doing serious sound things like exporting and importing from outside sources. I'd recommend that.

The SoundBlaster Audigy line is good. You can also get some very serious hardware that has XLR mic lines for doing studio recording, but I doubt you're looking for that.

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rehab
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #152:
Recently i have found myself wanting to add some form of remote storage to my home network. I guess this is because i have an uncanny knack of totally nuking my windows install on a fairly regular basis and then having to re-install everything and copy over all my music (10+ gig) and other stuff from my laptop which this week is running Ubuntu. In fact i have done this so many times that i am starting to have difficulties activating my copy of xp pro, because its been activated too many times, now i have to ring customer support and beg for a new key each time their product blows up in my face, because the automated systems wont work. grrr

But back to the matter at hand.

I am thinking of either getting something like this http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=340118 and then slapping a couple of 500gig harddrives in it, Or alternatively i could build myself a mini itx pc with pointlessly large hdd, and use some form of linux to turn it into a NAS server in its own right.

The advantage of the thecus NAS server is that it will be easy to set up and will definitely work but is not much cheaper than building an itx pc, and can only be used as a NAS server.

As for building a mini itx computer to use as a nas server, it would be more flexible and if in the future i decide i want to try my hand at building some fancy robot (i did cybernetics at university) a mini itx computer would be very useful. Building the mini itx computer is not an issue but i have no idea how complicated it would be to set up a linux distro to act as a NAS server, plus it needs to be visible to windows, linux and mac.

If anybody has any experience with this kind of thing i would welcome any input, currently the geek in me is leaning towards the mini itx idea.


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jadefalcon1
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to rehab in message #153:
Always full-blown machine over dedicated thingy from somewhere. If for no other reason than configurability: You can make it do what you want in the way you want, rather than living with somebody else's design choices.

As for actually setting the thing up - not hard. Just install Ubuntu from the liveCD and have at it. From there, you just need to install the nfs and samba servers, and set them up. You can even change who has what access to the shared filesystem by the way you define the entries in the /etc/exports file. Samba will allow windows to see and use NFS mounts like any other windows share.

Something to consider: Do you want to use hardware or software RAID? Software saves you money up front, hardware is more capable. If all you're doing is mirroring a couple of 500GB drives, just get a mobo that has that ability built in. If you want something more than that, you're looking at a larger case to house 3+ storage drives plus a couple of mirrored system drives.

How far do you wanna take this? I could spec something out pretty quick on newegg to give you an idea of where to start.

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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #154:
yeah definitely going to go for the mini-itx option. Currently i am thinking something along the lines of this.

Jetway J7F3 AMD Geode NX1750 Mainboard, http://linitx.com/product_info.php?cPath=12_74&products_id=1116
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It says it has '# Storage: 2 ATA-133 and 2 SATA. Onboard SATA controller supports RAID 0,1' i assume thats hardware raid???? only 1.4Ghz put i suppose thats plenty for my needs. also it only costs £136 ~= $260.

Then 512Mb of ram at around £31 ~= $60, Use an 80 IDE hdd i have lying around to install Ubuntu on and buy 2 SATA 500gig HDD at £140 ~= $275 for the pair

Add on another $150 and a couple of hdd cradles and thats about it. I have everything else i might need.

So whats that about $750 give or take and around £380 pound sterling.

If you can find a better spec for say < $800 i would be happy to see it.
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to rehab in message #155:
uhh i meant to say add on another $150 for a case and hdd caddies.
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to rehab in message #156:
Well, if you're ordering stuff in England, I won't be much use. All the places I look at are state-side. RAID 0,1 means that it supports RAID 0 or RAID 1 on those Sata ports. Wikipedia RAID article. That'll explain what's what.

That mobo seems a bit expensive for what you're getting, but again, the price difference across the pond may account for that.

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rehab
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #157:
Yeah stuff is generally more expensive in the UK i don't know if you have VAT (value added tax) in America, but here when you buy anything that isn't considered essential like food or children's clothing you have to pay an extra 17.5% tax.

Also i hadn't shopped around earlier, i have already found it on another UK site for £21/$40 less.

i could probably find it for considerably less on ebay.

Also one of the reasons for picking this mobo is that it would be a very good board for development purposes, because i could have up to 5 serial ports on it. That and not many mini-itx seem to do RAID.
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to rehab in message #158:
5 serial ports? Like RS-232 ports? WTF!?

Anyway, that's where I'd push you. You have your choice of OS's for the thing. I'd recommend a Linux distro, command-line to start. Gentoo can be fun, but not to start. Ubuntu is something I've just started playing with, and I've mixed feelings on it. BSD, if you know it, can kick serious ass.

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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to rehab in message #158:
5 serial ports? Like RS-232 ports? WTF!?

Anyway, that's where I'd push you. You have your choice of OS's for the thing. I'd recommend a Linux distro, command-line to start. Gentoo can be fun, but not to start. Ubuntu is something I've just started playing with, and I've mixed feelings on it. BSD, if you know it, can kick serious ass.

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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #160:
FUCK! Sorry 'bout that.

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rehab
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #161:
Yeah RS-232 serial ports are very useful, its a shame that a lot of people consider them legacy. I have used serial ports to connect a lot interesting stuff to computers in the past. including a GPS receiver, digital compass, a very crude radar system, motor controller boards, Ultrasonics and a variety of pic chips.

One project that i am tempted to have a go at, is to try and use 2 web cams in stereo to build a 3D model of a room or whatever in real time. The thing is that the processing requirements will probably be massive. So my ambitious plan is to use an array of pic chips to pre-process the video images thus taking the load off the actual computer. The ultimate plan would be to use a 3D model built in real time to find routes across areas with unforeseen obstacles for autonomous robots.





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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to rehab in message #162:
That sounds like a wicked-cool project.

RS-232 is legacy, bro. Ethernet, CANBUS, and other such stuff accomplish the same ends these days. There's always USB, as well. All the newer things don't have the speed problem old serial did.

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rehab
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to jadefalcon1 in message #163:
yeah i've used CANBUS before and also IC2 but it was connected to the actual PC via a serial port, but i accept that ethernet would be preferable. I will look into it.

Also wonders if its possible to daisy-chain ethernet devices like you can with CANBUS.




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jadefalcon1
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subject: Re: NAS server Vs a mini itx pc
in reply to rehab in message #164:
As far as I know, CANBUS works almost exactly the same way ethernet does.

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